LABIRYNTH AND OTHER THINGS
(by methof of telepatic chanelling)
Wrocław, May, 18, 2003
Participants: Lucyna Lobos, Iwona Stankiewicz, Andrzej Wojcikiewicz, Lucja Szajda
Iwona: Question from Iwona Stankiewicz and questions on behalf of Barbara Choroszy
Andrzej: Question from Andrzej Wojcikiewicz and questions on behalf of Gino Ratinckx (co-author of the book “The Orion Prophecy – will the world be destroyed in 2012”).
Lucja: Question from Lucja Szajda
Samuel: Answer to the question via Lucyna Lobos
Olivier: Answer to the question via Lucyna Lobos
Iwona:
Samuel, what was the real purpose, real reason of Jesus’s coming to Earth?
Samuel:
As you already know, the history of human kind goes in large circles. The history of humanity does not start with the Word coming on Earth. We know it is much, much older than that. What was the purpose? It was simple, Iwona, and all things that are simple – they are so difficult for you. As a matter of fact Jesus wanted to show you what the life is. He wanted to be an example of how you should live – that was it. He wanted to teach people the obedience, faith, trust and he wanted to show one important thing, that God is a living being. And this was why Jesus had come on Earth – to teach people how to live. The real core of this matter is that people – then and now – have not known how to live. I am listening.
Iwona:
Samuel, during the last session you also promised to tell us something more about the subject of closing the channel Earth – Orion in the context of Jesus’s appearance on Earth. Could you add something in regards to that?
Samuel:
I have already heard one thing. Not from your group but from someone completely else, that my answers are not very precise. How come you humans want everything to be served ready? You want everything to fit with a mathematic accuracy: “from this to that”. If it does nor fit, you just reject it. Will I explain it with mathematic accuracy? No, Iwona, and the reason of that is very simple – even by us there exists a right to remain silent and some facts cannot be given out to you, humans. Here I can reveal just a part of the secret. So, before Jesus was born, or so to say when the Word was to come on Earth – the New Testament clearly stated: “The Word was with God and was the Word. The Word was God and the Word became Flesh”. Why and when had the veil or energy been broken? It was at the moment of birth, at the moment of conception, when Jesus entered into an unborn child – then that connection between the Second Earth and the present Earth had been broken. If we go back to the Old Testament, it has been said many times that there was a channel which connected Earth with the Underworld. They were not able to understand then very clearly what “with the Underworld” meant and which “Underworld” specifically. Still the heart of the matter is why that channel had been closed. I will say briefly. It was because the preliminary cleansing had begun from the moment the Word came into the world. Jesus was going to issue a proclamation and to talk about what was going to happen. It means the preliminary cleansing has begun when Jesus came into Earth. And that was why that channel connection had been sealed. And when is it going to be open – that you know already. What else can I say? The channel is sealed – this is a fact, nevertheless we still stay in touch with you if there is such need. Our meeting is an example of that. The mediumship is an ability that many people possess. There were many of them, there are many of them and there will be many of them. Those people who can perceive us aurally. That is all I can say. I am listening.
Iwona:
Samuel, is there any other person besides Lucynka, who receives the same information and transmissions from you?
Samuel:
Now, this is a bit of a weird question. No, Iwona. The questions depend on the medium and individuals who are participating in it. There are different questions. Practically there are no two identical questions. The answers may overlap but there are none identical word for word.
Iwona:
Samuel, could you pass on some message about yourself to people in such way that they would have no doubts you were a good spirit…
Samuel:
Iwona, let us approach it differently. I shall lean on the personality of Jesus. He was rejected. I know, now he got raised up to a pedestal, but how many religions still keep on rejecting Jesus? Do you know that or am I just a bad spirit? I belong to the second hierarchy of Triads of Angelic Beings. So, you could say the same about Michael, Gabriel, Zadkiel and many other spiritual beings. They are also in the second group of the Angelic Triads. What purpose would I have – I am asking you – to do any wrong after all those meetings, which have been recorded, after all my utterances, in which I have been speaking of love, in which I have been speaking about coming to reason, about the conversion? Could I nevertheless be evil? If I were evil – suppose I was – all I would care about would have been that as many people as possible died, instead of being saved. And I, one the contrary, I do care that the eyes of everybody, literary everybody should open. That everybody turn their hearts towards each other and that they send that precious energy of love up to the heavens in order to ease the wrath of God. The fact I am a part of Earth management, that I have been chosen to be in this special group – what can I say. It that had been decided so and I was chosen, which I am saying to those who are sitting here and to those who shall be listening to me. I repeat once again – I have no purpose on misguiding people to the wrong path. My interest is the following: I would like to save virtually everybody. So do not let the prompting misguide you. Listen to the words of truth, listen to the voice of your hearts and do not believe those who speak ill of me. In spite of all this, in spite of the blows that I receive all I can say is I LOVE YOU EARTHLY BEINGS and I repeat – open your eyes at last. I am listening.
Iwona:
It was a beautiful explication, Samuel. Would you like to pass another word to humans?
Samuel:
Was it too little, Iwona? Iwona, things that are happening now on Earth are but a drop of water in a sea compared to what shall be going on. And only the energy of love can save the Earth and as many people as possible. I am listening.
Iwona:
I thank you very much. These were all the questions I wanted to ask. At the moment there is a question from Basia.
Iwona:
(on behalf of Basia Choroszy). Can the energy of Ernst Moldashev, a Russian medical doctor, eye surgeon, who had received in Shambala, Tybet a gift of eye reconstruction – can his energy help us with our mission? He has close relationship with the subject of the Egyptian pyramid and he is a very wealthy man.
Samuel:
Barbara, remember one important thing – and not only you, Barbara – for I have not gathered this group here in vain. I want everybody to hear these words. Medium does not have to be an unrefined person, there are also individuals chosen by us with the top highest education and they work on a completely different level, or so to say in your language – they transmit on different frequencies. There are great many people who are bound with us. They are gone now – the priest, friar Klimuszko – he was our connection indeed, Father Pio. If we go further – the Pope, he also receipts, he also receives signals and messages. So, our seeds have been broadcasted worldwide. Then, Iwona and you, Barbara – should you open the eyes of that man, because he does not trust his own words and he is afraid of his predispositions… He is afraid of being rejected. He, being an educated man, hears voices and can do automatic writing. Once Andrzej told me that you used to lock up such kind of people in the “proper place”, which means a mental hospital. It would have looked strange though, my dear people, because there in more and more of such “insane” on Earth. So my specific answer is the following: if Barbara is able to establish contact with that man, he will be a great input into the mission issue. I am listening.
Iwona:
Thank you very much. Next question. Samuel, I know that on August, 27th this year the planet Mars is going to approach Earth closer than ever before. It is a common knowledge that Mars has always been considered to be a planet of the god of war. What consequences of this rapprochement could arise from that for Earth and for humans? If there is any information that we should keep just for us, we will certainly have that in mind.
Samuel:
No, there is none in this particular case. What consequences will it cause? Of course there will be a distortion on the energetic level. People will be more actuated, more nervous. There will be an increase in the number of accidents – there is already a lot of them but there will be much more. There will be no war itself – yet. You have gone through one already so for now there is some repose in the matter of war. But as I said – the accidents will be occurring with greater intensity. The terrorism will increase its range. It will not miss Poland which is considered to be a chosen one. I can share one curiosity with you. It is an opportunity, now that Mars is coming in such close range to see the Sphinx and the Pyramid on Mars, because they are there. I do not want to put the cat among the pigeons either in this subject, as it is something the science is aware of. Why has it not been revealed? What else is awaiting us? A distortion of ecologic balance, which means floods, hurricanes and volcano eruptions are going to start. This is what is awaiting the humanity this year already. I will say no more, as you already think I want to scare you and all I want is to help, not to scare. I am listening.
Iwona:
Samuel, could you please give your comment to the theory according to which – just as Pleiades people transmit it to the Earth – people on Earth possess feelings that other beings do not possess. How specifically those feelings could serve other beings in their experiments during contacts with other civilizations? And is it true?
Samuel:
People possess feelings they turn to each other – this is what you say, Barbara. Well, if it ever comes to a point when beings from other dimensions will start to arrive, you will see how a real feeling looks like. Why, when you look at human beings you see there is no feeling even in their own families. What is there instead? Jealousy, hatred there are. You can count on the fingers of your palm those people who share any feeling at all, and there are some. Yet there is so little of it – so do not talk, Barbara, about human’s feeling. People shall only start to learn what human feeling and love is. Now they are unable to love. They are unable to cherish it and they do not know the real meaning of the word “feeling”. I am listening.
Iwona:
Thank you, there were all questions Basia previewed for today.
(after the break)
Answer:
Here we start again and today there is someone who shall help us to run the session. That entity – being – spiritual is Olivier. I will give place to him and I shall observe how Andrzej is doing with his conversation with Olivier.
Olivier:
Welcome, it is me, Olivier, Lucyna’s friend. A have been given a permission to have conversation with Andrzej and I am supposed to answer questions asked by Andrzej and other people. It will be easier for me, because as you know – I had already been to the Earth when this bone of contention was being created. And I had been here later, I mean after the World War I used to live in France, but should you take interest in that we will come back to the latter on some other occasion. Now I am listening to you, Andrzej.
Andrzej:
Olivier, I have got a couple of questions on behalf of Gino who is a friend of Patrick.
Olivier:
Ask me, I will try to give you an answer. I am listening.
Andrzej:
(on behalf of Gino RATINCKX – co-author of the book THE ORION PROPHECY: WILL THE WORLD BE DESTROYED IN 2012). Does the projection of constellations of ancient stars, which I have used to localize the Labyrinth and other temples may also be used to find the exit, the Hawara?
Olivier:
Here is the answer. As you already know – the Labyrinth is huge and a stellar configuration is connected with the Labyrinth by a network and to explore it is a right thing to do. We have only shown the thing that is something we all care about a lot, I mean we have shown the truth and the facts which state that the Labyrinth exists. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Am I to understand that this is your answer and that it can be used to find the entrance in Hawara?
Olivier:
Yes, Andrzej. You can placidly pass it on. It is a right information coming from the stars.
Andrzej:
Next question. Is there a connection between all labyrinths worldwide? If there is one, does it have anything to do with the same stellar combination that I used to find the entrance to the labyrinth on Crete? (I got into it twice and I have explored nearly ten kilometers of corridors, yet I never reached the end of it – somewhere in that deep there should exist the subterranean lake that was mentioned in the ancient texts).
Olivier:
Listen carefully. All things on Earth that matter and have their meaning and is a message is most frequently connected with an energetic network, I mean the net – energetic network or a network formed by stars… So, Andrzej, as I already mentioned, the whole Earth is dotted with information about the presence of extraterrestrial beings, presence of humans on Earths not from the time about which the priests preach but many, many thousands years back. It is already a scientifically proven fact. And now, in order to help the scientists – Patrick and his friend – I would like to propose something. They are sapient people and it will be easier for me to communicate with them on the level they are at and the level proper to their knowledge… So, I propose that after you call me up you pick up a pen and I will drive your hand and I shall write and answer the questions. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Do you mean that Patric and Gino should take pens in their hands and write in the automatic writing?
Olivier:
They can write, Andrzej, just if they set to it with faith… They can write.
Andrzej:
Thank you, next question. The question is referring to the tunnel which is situated behind the tomb of Seti. First of all – nobody has been able to reach the end of that tunnel. It is written in the Old Testament: “This is A ROAD OF GODS TO HEAVEN”. Is it one of the entrances that lead to the passage under the Nile and up to the Egyptian Labyrinth?
Olivier:
Yes, but here I shall go back to the words that Samuel has addressed to you. Why do you make your life so difficult? Is everything that is difficult – comfortable for you? Would it not have been more comfortable to choose a simpler way of the facts that have been already given to you? All you should truly care about is to prove the existence of the Labyrinth. And whether you should enter it from the Nile site or from the lake Moeris site is really irrelevant. To enter it is the only thing that matters. We have given you a really precise coordinates, so use them. Do not complicate your life. All complications to which you are heading are very expensive. We have given our that place to you because this expedition may be done with the smallest money expense. So I am asking you once again – why? Why to look for any other entrances? – If you can get into it through the point that had been marked – the pyramid site entrance?. The third pyramid in Giza. It was given, to you precisely, too. And this is all I can say.
Andrzej:
The last question from Gino. Is it a proper moment now to open the gates of Egyptian Labyrinth to humanity?
Olivier:
It is a right one by all means, because the opening of the Labyrinth, which means showing the Labyrinth to people will make “Pharaoh Mission” easier. That mission shall be much more difficult than finding the localization of the Labyrinth. It is impossible to dig out the whole Labyrinth. It is physically impossible, because it is extended at the surface of many, many kilometers. And here it is enough just to show the humanity the fact that the Labyrinth exists. And that is why I am for this expedition to be the first one to open the chamber of the Labyrinth – the Golden Chamber. Up from that very moment you shall go on with your actions with no major problems. It shall already be the “Pharaoh Mission”. And the mission of opening the Labyrinth is an entirety, too. Let us not fraud ourselves, Andrzej. One thong leads to another. I am listening.
Andrzej:
What is the approximate depth at which the tomb is situated?
Olivier:
Now that I am not an earthly being anymore it is difficult for me to define it precisely but I can say roughly. You have to go three stores in depth all right and then there is the Pharaoh.
Andrzej:
Thank you, Olivier. Bartosz thinks it is no use to write to Hawass before we got the money as without is we have no arguments. What do you think about it?
Answer:
He is right. Bartosz is right when he speaks about the arguments and gold is an argument indeed. Well, as I say – when the expedition begins and they will start to get to the Golden Chamber in the Labyrinth, there will be the gold. There is a law Hawass has to respect, too. The expedition that had- let us say – come up with the project – receives a certain percentage of the treasury that was found. And there will be such abundance of that treasure that it would make possible to dig out ten pharaohs, not just one. So my opinion is that it is right to say that nothing can be done before you get that wretched gold. I am listening.
Andrzej: In this case, do you think, Olivier that in spite of all I should send the letter to Hawass now that we still have no money for the expedition?
Olivier:
Sure. You should send it, Andrzej. And I repeat once again – do not think he is not reading it. He really does. I am not a hundred percent sure that he will write you back this time either but he will start to think about it for sure. And even if you will not be the one he contacts, he will get in touch. Of that I am sure – he will get in touch. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Thank you. As you know, the three of us, which means myself, Lucyna and Iwona are going to Chicago. Can we ask for your help in this voyage and a help in – let us say – the size of the training group? It would support us financially.
Olivier:
I think something can be done in regards to that. It is in our interest that you broadcast over there as many good seeds as you can as they are going to bear good fruits. That is what we are after. There we do not have to protect you so much. I will say once again – here in Poland we are in an eminently specific country. And I cannot say too much about it – Samuels is already staring at me. You cannot see that but he does. So this is all I can tell you – you will be given proper care and for sure a huge interest will rise there, because people, despite the fear that has aroused, still want to hear what will be going to happen. They will hear it – I can assure you they will and provide you security. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Olivier, do the pyramids in Mexico have anything to do with the pyramids in Egypt?
Olivier:
There is no subterranean link between them, Andrzej, but there is – as I have mentioned – an energetic network, which connects most important spots, especially the pyramid on Yucatan – the so called Serpent Pyramid, which as I hear you are going to see or visit. If you went there in an appropriate time, it means in spring or in fall, you would see the slithering serpent. At the time when the serpent starts to slither upwards, there is a transmission from the Orion in the Cheops Pyramid. That is the way it is. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Thank you very much, Olivier. I have a question in regards to the previous session. Samuel was talking about the Mother-Goddess. What is the difference in your dimension between gods and goddesses? Do you have a definition of sex?
Olivier:
I could take a liberty of doing it even here (laugher). How do you imagine it, you, human beings?. The whole universe or the extraterrestrial, or to be more precise, more specific – the heavenly realm would have been deprived of the female sex, or women?. I can see such reasoning with my proper eyes and how it would look if only men would inhabit heavens. I wonder what it would be like, Andrzej and after a moment of afterthought I reply. In the whole universe it is the same as on Earth. There are males and females. There has to be that balance and the energy has to be balanced, because a women possess one kind of energy and a man another kind of energy. I do not want to elaborate too much about the energies of both sexes, but if I were to, I would say that the female energy is superior to the male energy. I do not want to make things warm for men, because I was and I still am one, all I do is just to tell you about facts as they are. So in terms of gods and goddesses: they exist, Andrzej. What is the difference between them? There is no difference because in the heavenly realms, Andrzej, all spiritual beings are treated equally by God Jahwe. Only you need academic titles. There they are not needed. God treats everybody equally. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Thank you. It was said during the previous session that being spiritual beings you can influence our super-consciousness, yet our sub-consciousness is often shielded from you. Tell me, how in this context can we alone, here on Earth, control our thoughts and emotions if they stem from our sub-consciousness?
Olivier:
In order to create a thought a flow from the super-consciounsess has to occur. Super-consciousness, Andrzej, is really nothing but your Guardian Angel assigned to you at your birth. And that is the super-consciousness. He is the one who leads your way properly. He is the one who gives you indications and sends information to your sub-conciousness. This is why the sub-consciousness is your spirit, that spirit of yours. And the spirit shall either accept information that flows from the super-consciousness or not, because there is one more fact, that you do know – which is that you have been given a free will, which is a nuisance for everybody who had already went through cleansing. And this is why you, being yourself, have no influence on the super-consciousness. This is the super-consciousness that is guiding you. I am listening.
Andrzej:
In which way can a man control the stream of negative thoughts and negative emotions?
Olivier:
Do you have a brain, Andrzej?
Andrzej:
Sometimes I do.
Olivier:
So sometimes use it… (the group laughs!!!…) And if you have wits, as you claim, then follow them, Andrzej. You have been given a gift and you perceive everything differently or you see all this differently. It has been given to you, so use it by guiding yourself with our wits. Wits, indeed!!!… If these two things could come into relationship with a person and would go along together, they would make any cleansing redundant. Sometimes we think about one very important thing. Why has God given people a completely free hand in regards to their free will? We, as beings, entities from Orion, have not been given such boon. Our free will has been limited. Because of that, Andrzej, when you run your trainings, explain to people that they have been given by God a gift of the free will and may they use it in a real way, not only by saying unwarranted words: “I have a free will”. So what out of it? What have you done with it? I am listening.
Andrzej:
In this case – what is a karma?
Olivier:
These are your words, Andrzej – karma. You figured it that way. In the transient world, which means your purgatory, or to call it differently, the way Samuel calls it – “a waiting room” it is called differently. The spirit descends on Earth in order to perfect itself and to purge and it imposes upon itself some hard traumas. The more difficult the trauma, the quicker the cleansing. It is hard to say if there is such thing as so called karma at all. For sure, when the spirit already gets into the waiting room, it makes a recapitulation of life that he had spent on Earth… he sees it as if he was watching a movie. And this is how you are going to watch the recording you are filming now and how you will be able to isolate which was bad and which was good. The spirit, which stays in the waiting room, does exactly the same and then he programs when he would descend on Earth. You can call it karma if you wish. For us it is just another cleansing. I am listening.
Andrzej:
Thank you, Olivier, I have no more questions.
Olivier:
Shame, as it seemed so promising and it was such a good conversation, but I hope there is still another conversation awaiting us. In this case I also thank you and I withdraw now and pass the voice on to Samuel.
Samuel:
I am listening, Lucja. It is me, Samuel.
Lucja:
Hello Samuel. I am very glad I can ask you a couple of questions and talk to you, as I wanted to raise a couple of issues, which were also addressed during the previous session. You said, Samuel, that everybody who expresses such will can receive a sign of life. In this case what conditions you have to meet in order to receive the sign of life?
Samuel:
You do think Lucja you too can avoid having your ears pinned back during the session. Yet they will be pinned back. If I were mean I would have you listen to the recordings of a couple of sessions. It has been already said there what conditions you have to meet in order to receive the sign on life. The fact that you declare yourself being in the transient time is a fact, but declaration remains a declaration and life remains life, because since your birth time you have been subdued to all kind of trials. If you pass the trials successfully, you receive the so called stamp and you start the cooperation with us, but what you want to know is completely different. You are asking about whether some ordinary, average Joe who goes here and there could receive the sign of life. Deeds, Lucja… We look at the deeds of a specific person. It does not matter which religion he belongs to – these are his deeds that matter. We look at his heart – how is it in regards to the other human being. These are the major things that are taken into account. This is all very difficult yet it is still for you… Difficult. So I am listening to you once more.
Lucja:
Yes Samuel, I remembered about the deeds but I thought there were some other conditions you have to meet.
Samuel:
Gold we do not accept Lucja… I am listening.
Lucja:
Samuel, I have another question about the Cheops Pyramid, which had been built at nights. Was the electricity known during the construction of the Cheops Pyramid?
Samuel:
No. Not the electricity you have today – no. There were special boxes with energy distributed, which emitted light. And besides that, Lucja, at nights -so was it said and so it really was – then the Pyramid was being constructed. Well, so the light given by the spacecrafts was enough to floodlight the whole construction area of the Pyramid. In the area of the very construction area of the Pyramid it was so bright light, Lucja that you could have find a lost needle. The illumination was provided by spacecrafts. I am listening.
Lucja:
Thank you, Samuel. Recently a concept emerged that there is a code in the Bible, according to which everything is planned and previewed in advance and it rolls according to some pre-designed divine plan. If it is so, what is exactly the human role, his free will, to which we are recently referring a lot, because I understand that the free will concerns the choices made in accordance with the plan, which… Or a task that is set when you are in the so called waiting room? And from the other side, how does it apply to the divine plan, which had been preset and encoded in the Bible, that some individuals have already deciphered that and for example there was written that… important events had been encoded in the Bible?
Samuel:
They were and they are, Lucja. It is clearly said that the Bible is a code. Mathematic code. It is known that those who had put Bible into writing were unrefined people. But their hand was guided. When they were writing it down they did not know what was that they were writing. They could not understand what had been written. Jesus himself used to say in his the last years by the Pyramid. Let me quote his words: “Pyramid is a Bible in stone but the Bible written with words is the Pyramid”. This is why one is linked with another and the words contained in the Bible do really come true. And in regards to the humanity, there is just one and only assumption and it is impossible to change that fact, unless humans themselves would not want to inhabit Earth. If it so, hard luck, as we say, and they will be gone. But if they show the will of improvement, conversion, then the human race shall be inhabiting planet Earth eternally. That was the intention of God Jahwe himself. Human beings are his creation after all. It is sad to destroy one’s creation, is it not, Lucja? I am listening.
Lucja:
It is true, Samuel. Thank you very much. I also wanted to ask, Samuel, about the crystal skulls we have already mentioned before. According to Maya they come from the other planets and time dimensions. They also contain a huge knowledge and they are supposed to play an important role in steering the Earth towards the new time, or as they define it – the year 2012. Can you say something in regards to that subject?
Samuel:
Crystal Skulls and many more riddles shall be disclosed and it had to be done until the 2012, when the events will roll one after another. Shall they play an important role on Earth? Yes, among other things, but the Crystal Skulls are still not all of it. The Pharaoh is going to play a key role in all this. For he is the greatest treasure and the greatest energy, which has to be awaken. Cristal Skulls are distributed on Earth in order to be the next sign for the humans and show to show them the opus that had been brought to Earth. Even with today’s technique are humans unable to create such masterpiece as Crystal Skulls are. I am listening.
Lucja:
Samuel, you have said that resurrection which means the return on Earth will take place after the so called “greater cleansing”. Have I understood correctly that the Apocalypse, which means the first cleansing is happening now but it is still not the greater cleansing…?
Samuel:
Do not worry about that, Lucja. You are not going to live that long and you shall not live through the first cleansing, which shall last – if we count it in your earth time – about a 1000 years. Measured in our time it is much shorter, just one day. So take it easy and do not worry, just help us now and do your good job for us to make the cleansing run as gently as it can. There will be a time of extreme peace, apparent peace, when it will seem to people that it is all over, the cleansing is over, that the God has already managed with convicts and bad people, but it will be just a sham. So be vigilant. So says Jesus, too, that a couple of hundred years will pass and then the second cleansing shall come. The second cleansing shall be more, much more fearful, but for the time being, my dear people, have no fear. First of all you have protection and secondly – there is still a lot of your Earth time. I am listening.
Lucja:
I would like to go back once more to the story of Judas, which you have granted so much time during our today’s meeting. As I have heard during the previous session, you said that Jesus spoke for Judas to Pilatus? At the first moment it surprised me, because as a matter of fact the history remains silent about that, saying only that Pilatus took his own life… I started to think about it… About Jesus and what he was teaching, how he lived… The fact that he spoke for Pilatus has become clear… It has been an obvious consequence of his teaching, of his way also, which he had shown when he said: “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. All this becomes extremely consistent… This is of course the way a human should follow and I think a very difficult one, that he had shown how you should act – and what the act of forgiving is really about and that he raised beyond his own suffering and pain… This is extremely difficult, despite that it is of course the way of God…
Samuel:
Right you are, Lucja and that was indeed the way Jesus has chosen to show you how you should live. How to forgive another man. He has given something which is the most important – an example of unconditional love. And Judas became an example of it when Jesus spoke for him, when he asked Pilatus for help because he was no longer able to do it himself. Pilatus was extremely moved with that. He was in total astonishment: “How come? But that man had betrayed you! Condemned to death! And you forgive him? You ask for mercy? For protection?”… “Yes, said Jesus. In the name of love of your neighbour”. And so it happened… I am listening.
Lucja:
I also wanted to share such reflection, Samuel, because you yourself said that we are surrounded, especially nowadays, by Babylon. And just a moment ago you were saying that a human has his free will but also has his wits. But I think that in certain situations he is surrounded by Babylon, too…When you have bad experiences it is sometimes hard to see what is good and what is bad, especially when you are surrounded by Babylon. Of course it does not release you from your responsibility but I think that maybe you can see more easily from your heights things which a lost, unhappy, attacked man is not able to see.
Samuel:
Lucja, from the heights – as you say – it is difficult to see, because we see more. More than it seems to you. You are saying it is difficult do live in a nowadays Babylon. It is difficult, indeed. And this is why I have repeated many times and I will keep on repeating to our connections and our laborers – armor yourself. It is very important. Not with the armor that would not allow anything to approach you but with the one that would not let the omnipresent evil to reach you. You are supposed to be the donors of the good energy, not the receivers of the bad energy. This is the heart of the matter. I am listening.
Lucja:
Thank you Samuel. I want to thank you for your care, too – I trust you. I have sometimes some doubts but generally I have faith and I thank you for your care. And these were all the questions for today.
Samuel:
Each and everyone of you has those doubts. Each and everyone of you wonders if one is out of one’s senses. This is a completely natural spurt. It would have been a bad thing if it was different. If, let us say, you would be deprived of all doubts or worse, thought you were equal to us. Then we would have been very anxious. But it you are still on the level of trust, faith, humility – everything is fine. And here we end our today’s meeting. I thank you for this meeting.